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McLovin09
McLovin09, Sonntag 16:02 Uhr
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$NVO stops HERMES P3 with Ziltivekimab prematurely. Or is it actually prematurely at all…..??? @MDCaspi posted an internal message from NVO to all trial centers participating in HERMES P3 with Ziltivekimab. The post has since been deleted. I can see that Dr. Oren Caspi in fact does work as Director of the Heart Failure Unit and Head of the Cardiovascular Research and Innovation Center at Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa. And this is one of the centers in the trial. While the age of AI means we see a lot of falsified and manipulated information, this does look legitimate to me. What does it mean? Actual the trial is event driven. Time to First Occurrence of a Composite Heart Failure Endpoint Consisting of: Cardiovascular (CV) Death, Heart Failure (HF) Hospitalisation or Urgent HF Visit It’s powered for 845 events. That’s not a fixed date. SELECT (17000 participants) P3 with Semaglutide was also ended prematurely compared with dates in CT bc they had the specified numbers of events mentioned in the protocol. I’m not suggesting HERMES will end with positive outcomes. I have no way of knowing that. But an outcome trial will end with exactly a message like this one. “HERMES TRIAL STOP ANNOUNCEMENT”. Since there’s no fixed date but a specific number of events, that only NVO and the external lead investigators know when they cross. As long as there’s no serious safety reason behind the message (which we have no reason to believe) then the centers are likely told to stop dosing (dosed once per month) and call participants in for measurements 1 month after last dosing. Plus the protocol specifies last visit is end of trial + 3 months. That means minimum 4 months left before they unblind the trial. But the protocol also says minimum 6 months treatment. And they stoped recruitment sometime between April and June. (CT says 3 July ) So if they follow the protocol then it’s 6 + 3 months from that date. Plus 2-3 months analysis and concluding on the trial. That brings us to sometime in Q2. And NVO has guided for results in first half 2027. After the recently failed P3 with Ziltivekimab in ZEUS trial, I’m probably like most who think Ziltivekimab also will fail in HERMES and ARTEMIS. To my knowledge many analysts have already removed value from Ziltivekimab in their models. That’s not to say negative outcomes from HERMES and ARTEMIS will not pressure SP when those data will be released. It will. But expectations have been lowered significantly. To summarise. I would not be surprised if the revealing of the internal message from NVO without further context, could give some noise the coming days. But it could also be a lot of fuss about nothing. That it in fact could be NVO is just following the specified protocol, since it seems to align with the overall public known from CT. $LLY $VKTX
McLovin09
McLovin09, Sonntag 9:54 Uhr
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In der Bodybuilding Szene macht UBT251 sich langsam einen Namen
McLovin09
McLovin09, Sonntag 9:54 Uhr
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Retatrutide's phase two trial ran a full year, scaling doses up to 12 milligrams a week, and landed around 24% total body weight loss. UBT-251, Novo Nordisk's version, only ran half that length at 24 weeks, and people still came in around 19 to 20% total body weight loss. When you cut the timeline in half and the results only drop by a few points, that gap between the two drugs matters more than the final number on paper.
csl1234
csl1234, Sonntag 9:50 Uhr
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Dürfte, aber es wird eh drauf geprügelt

Kollateralschaden
McLovin09
McLovin09, Sonntag 9:45 Uhr
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HERMES wurde scheinbar pausiert, aber Ziltivekimab dürfte nach ZEUS sowieso mit 0,0 im Kurs stehen. Medizinisch aber sicher bitter, dass ein Medikament die definierten Marker erreicht, diese Marker aber in der Realität/Kontext wertlos sind.

Dürfte, aber es wird eh drauf geprügelt
csl1234
csl1234, Sonntag 9:05 Uhr
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Another major shock for cardiovascular research. HERMES: one of the largest and most ambitious HFpEF trials ever undertaken, testing IL-6 inhibition has just been terminated. This is more than another negative trial. After the failures of Cardio-TTR transform and HORIZON all occuring this week, It raises fundamental questions about how we discover and develop Cardiovascular drugs. How we select biological targets, and translate mechanistic signals into therapeutic strategies. I’ll share more soon on what I think this means and most importantly what may need to change in the field.

HERMES wurde scheinbar pausiert, aber Ziltivekimab dürfte nach ZEUS sowieso mit 0,0 im Kurs stehen. Medizinisch aber sicher bitter, dass ein Medikament die definierten Marker erreicht, diese Marker aber in der Realität/Kontext wertlos sind.
McLovin09
McLovin09, Samstag 23:53 Uhr
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Wenn GLP-1/Incretine nicht nur Gewicht reduzieren und Diabetes behandeln, sondern zusätzlich Herzinsuffizienz, kardiovaskuläre Ereignisse usw. positiv beeinflussen, wird der wirtschaftliche Wert eines führenden Moleküls sehr viel größer. Kurz übersetzt, Semaglutide und Tirzepatide und andere in der Klasse werden durch die Misserfolge wertvoller, da sie nachweislich die Anzahl der Cardiovaskulären Events verringern.
McLovin09
McLovin09, Samstag 23:38 Uhr
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I’m a cardiologist. Today cardiologists everywhere were humbled by this trial. The trial is Lp(a)HORIZON. Pelacarsen, a monthly antisense injection from Novartis and Ionis, was given to 8,323 patients who already had heart disease plus genetically high lipoprotein(a). These were not untreated people. They were on modern guideline therapy—high-intensity statins, blood-pressure control, antiplatelets. The drug did its job: it slashed Lp(a) levels by roughly 70–80%, the same drop we saw in earlier studies. The thing it was supposed to prevent did not move. Cardiovascular death, heart attack, stroke, and urgent stents or bypasses were no lower than placebo. The miss held even in the sicker subgroup whose Lp(a) started above 90 mg/dL. That is why the field is in shock. For a decade we treated this as settled biology. Lp(a) is 80–90% genetic. One in five adults carry high levels. Diet and gym do almost nothing. Observational studies and Mendelian randomization kept saying the same thing: higher lifetime Lp(a) means more heart attacks, more strokes, more aortic stenosis. Phase 2 looked like a home run—an 80% reduction with a simple monthly shot. We told ourselves this was the missing piece for the patient who already has perfect LDL, perfect blood pressure, doesn’t smoke, and still has events. Many of us expected it to be as important as the arrival of statins. Companies spent years educating the entire cardiology community that we finally had a target we could actually hit. We were wrong about the simple version of the story. A lifetime of high Lp(a) from birth is not the same experiment as turning the number down for a few years after the arteries are already damaged and every other risk factor is already optimized. Residual risk from Lp(a) may simply be smaller once LDL is already in the 40s. Eighty percent lower may still leave too much particle in people who started very high. The next drugs (siRNAs) go deeper and last longer; this was the first-generation ASO. Benefit, if it exists, might live in younger patients, primary prevention, or extreme levels rather than this secondary-prevention population. Or the effect on existing plaque and thrombosis is slower and smaller than the genetics made us believe. We will get the full event curves, actual achieved levels, and every subgroup later this year. Other outcome trials with more potent agents are still running. The Lp(a) chapter is not closed. But the version we all believed—“lower this inherited number and events will follow in already-treated patients”—just failed its first large, hard test. Measure Lp(a) once. Treat everything else we can actually change as if it still matters. Because today we learned, again, that a beautiful lab change is not the same thing as fewer funerals. Science is supposed to surprise us. This one did.

Auslöser für das Erbeben gestern die Novartis Studie die ihren Endpunkt verfehlt hat.
McLovin09
McLovin09, Samstag 23:38 Uhr
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I’m a cardiologist. Today cardiologists everywhere were humbled by this trial. The trial is Lp(a)HORIZON. Pelacarsen, a monthly antisense injection from Novartis and Ionis, was given to 8,323 patients who already had heart disease plus genetically high lipoprotein(a). These were not untreated people. They were on modern guideline therapy—high-intensity statins, blood-pressure control, antiplatelets. The drug did its job: it slashed Lp(a) levels by roughly 70–80%, the same drop we saw in earlier studies. The thing it was supposed to prevent did not move. Cardiovascular death, heart attack, stroke, and urgent stents or bypasses were no lower than placebo. The miss held even in the sicker subgroup whose Lp(a) started above 90 mg/dL. That is why the field is in shock. For a decade we treated this as settled biology. Lp(a) is 80–90% genetic. One in five adults carry high levels. Diet and gym do almost nothing. Observational studies and Mendelian randomization kept saying the same thing: higher lifetime Lp(a) means more heart attacks, more strokes, more aortic stenosis. Phase 2 looked like a home run—an 80% reduction with a simple monthly shot. We told ourselves this was the missing piece for the patient who already has perfect LDL, perfect blood pressure, doesn’t smoke, and still has events. Many of us expected it to be as important as the arrival of statins. Companies spent years educating the entire cardiology community that we finally had a target we could actually hit. We were wrong about the simple version of the story. A lifetime of high Lp(a) from birth is not the same experiment as turning the number down for a few years after the arteries are already damaged and every other risk factor is already optimized. Residual risk from Lp(a) may simply be smaller once LDL is already in the 40s. Eighty percent lower may still leave too much particle in people who started very high. The next drugs (siRNAs) go deeper and last longer; this was the first-generation ASO. Benefit, if it exists, might live in younger patients, primary prevention, or extreme levels rather than this secondary-prevention population. Or the effect on existing plaque and thrombosis is slower and smaller than the genetics made us believe. We will get the full event curves, actual achieved levels, and every subgroup later this year. Other outcome trials with more potent agents are still running. The Lp(a) chapter is not closed. But the version we all believed—“lower this inherited number and events will follow in already-treated patients”—just failed its first large, hard test. Measure Lp(a) once. Treat everything else we can actually change as if it still matters. Because today we learned, again, that a beautiful lab change is not the same thing as fewer funerals. Science is supposed to surprise us. This one did.
McLovin09
McLovin09, Samstag 23:30 Uhr
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With today $NVO failure in IL6 ab trial in HFpEF .. recall that novo still has GLP1 with the class wild success in cardiac disorders. See below Patrick Elinor MD statement. Novo just needs to own a top GLP1 class molecule to succeed long term. $LLy also reported high level of efficacy of TZP in HFpEF
McLovin09
McLovin09, Samstag 23:10 Uhr
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Jetzt gehen die Gerüchte rum das Novo Abivax übernehmen könnte
McLovin09
McLovin09, Samstag 23:00 Uhr
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Another major shock for cardiovascular research. HERMES: one of the largest and most ambitious HFpEF trials ever undertaken, testing IL-6 inhibition has just been terminated. This is more than another negative trial. After the failures of Cardio-TTR transform and HORIZON all occuring this week, It raises fundamental questions about how we discover and develop Cardiovascular drugs. How we select biological targets, and translate mechanistic signals into therapeutic strategies. I’ll share more soon on what I think this means and most importantly what may need to change in the field.
AMK2020
AMK2020, Samstag 21:17 Uhr
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DczOaw8JxbC/?stkn=bDdoN2dxNDc1ZWZq
csl1234
csl1234, Samstag 17:27 Uhr
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Wenn man mal überlegt was die Analysten in ihren Modellen hatten, niemand hat damit gerechnet und der weltweite Rollout ist gerade erst in den Kinderschuhen

Was Goldman aktuell so rechnet: (Quelle siehe unten) Für 2030 erwarten die Goldman-Analysten einen weltweiten Umsatz mit Abnehmpillen von rund 46 Mrd. $, wovon 48% auf Foundayo und 38% auf Wegovy entfallen sollen: Tabletten und Spritzen sprechen diverse Zielgruppen an. Grundsätzlich dürften Tabletten künftig eine wichtige Ergänzung zu den injizierbaren Schlankmacherpräparaten sein. Die Analysten von Goldman Sachs schätzen, dass orale Therapien bis 2030 rund 40% des Marktes ausmachen werden, während injizierbare Therapien auf knapp 60% kommen dürften. *** https://themarket.ch/unternehmen/novo-nordisk-zu-viele-faktoren-sprechen-gegen-einen-baldigen-turnaround-ld.17608
McLovin09
McLovin09, Samstag 14:15 Uhr
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Wenn man mal überlegt was die Analysten in ihren Modellen hatten, niemand hat damit gerechnet und der weltweite Rollout ist gerade erst in den Kinderschuhen
McLovin09
McLovin09, Samstag 14:14 Uhr
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Agree on the capture adjusted math and I find the interesting part to be what 17% means if we look at it on a doubling ladder. Foundayo needs 2.5 full doublings to reach Wegovy pill's current 283k (capture adjusted). Foundayo completed doublings: 5 => 10k in 2 weeks. 10 => 20k in 5. 20 => 40k in 10 (IQVIA). Each ladder step takes around twice as long as the last. With Foundayo's own doubling pattern, it takes more than two years to reach where the Wegovy pill sits today, even if Wegovy pill never grows again. $NVO $LLY
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